#53874: "Suggested algorithm for map configurations (same as hol.es algorithm) "
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Якщо це так, будь ласка, ПРОГОЛОСУЙТЕ за цей звіт. Звіти з найбільшою кількістю голосів розглядатимуть У ПЕРШУ ЧЕРГУ!
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• Будь ласка, скопіюйте/вставте повідомлення про помилку, якщо ви бачите якесь на своєму екрані.
The existing algorithms for placing down a map and having the last player rotate the tiles is not an excellent balancing mechanic, especially in a 4 player game where the third player is not likely to get a great choice of faction.
The now-defunct website gaia-project.hol.es had an algorithm which basically everyone liked a lot. This algorithm is described in this BGG thread boardgamegeek.com/thread/1960859/online-game-generator-map-board-smartphone-friendl/page/2, and I will repeat it for clarity here:
The algorithm is this:
1. Randomly place the required number of tiles, using the correct side of tiles 5, 6, and 7 as appropriate to the number of players, and rotate them randomly.
2. No clusters of 5 contiguous planets of any type (including transdim) are allowed. Check to see if there are any clusters of 5 or more. If there are any, discard this map and roll again.
3. Only one cluster of 4 contiguous planets of any type (including transdim) is allowed. Check to see if there are any clusters of 4 contiguous planets. If there are 2 or more such clusters, discard this map and roll again.
4. The closest that 2 planets of the same homeworld type may be to each other is Nav3. If there are any planets of any type except gaia or transdim which are within Nav2 range of each other, discard this map and roll again.
5. Every planet must have another planet of any type within Nav2 range of it. If there is any planet that is at least 3 hexes away from any other planet, discard this map and roll again.
6. Use this map -
• Будь ласка, опишіть, що ви намагалися зробити, що зробили, та що трапилось
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• Будь ласка, скопіюйте/вставте текст відображений англійською замість вашої мови. Якщо у вас є скріншот цієї помилки (рекомендовано), ви можете скористатися будь-яким сервісом для зберігання зображень (наприклад, snipboard.io), завантажити його та вставити сюди посилання. Чи цей текст доступний у системі перекладів? Якщо так, то чи перекладали його понад 24 години тому?
The existing algorithms for placing down a map and having the last player rotate the tiles is not an excellent balancing mechanic, especially in a 4 player game where the third player is not likely to get a great choice of faction.
The now-defunct website gaia-project.hol.es had an algorithm which basically everyone liked a lot. This algorithm is described in this BGG thread boardgamegeek.com/thread/1960859/online-game-generator-map-board-smartphone-friendl/page/2, and I will repeat it for clarity here:
The algorithm is this:
1. Randomly place the required number of tiles, using the correct side of tiles 5, 6, and 7 as appropriate to the number of players, and rotate them randomly.
2. No clusters of 5 contiguous planets of any type (including transdim) are allowed. Check to see if there are any clusters of 5 or more. If there are any, discard this map and roll again.
3. Only one cluster of 4 contiguous planets of any type (including transdim) is allowed. Check to see if there are any clusters of 4 contiguous planets. If there are 2 or more such clusters, discard this map and roll again.
4. The closest that 2 planets of the same homeworld type may be to each other is Nav3. If there are any planets of any type except gaia or transdim which are within Nav2 range of each other, discard this map and roll again.
5. Every planet must have another planet of any type within Nav2 range of it. If there is any planet that is at least 3 hexes away from any other planet, discard this map and roll again.
6. Use this map • Який у вас браузер?
Google Chrome v96
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• Будь ласка, поясніть вашу пропозицію точно й лаконічно, щоб було якомога легше зрозуміти, що ви маєте на увазі.
The existing algorithms for placing down a map and having the last player rotate the tiles is not an excellent balancing mechanic, especially in a 4 player game where the third player is not likely to get a great choice of faction.
The now-defunct website gaia-project.hol.es had an algorithm which basically everyone liked a lot. This algorithm is described in this BGG thread boardgamegeek.com/thread/1960859/online-game-generator-map-board-smartphone-friendl/page/2, and I will repeat it for clarity here:
The algorithm is this:
1. Randomly place the required number of tiles, using the correct side of tiles 5, 6, and 7 as appropriate to the number of players, and rotate them randomly.
2. No clusters of 5 contiguous planets of any type (including transdim) are allowed. Check to see if there are any clusters of 5 or more. If there are any, discard this map and roll again.
3. Only one cluster of 4 contiguous planets of any type (including transdim) is allowed. Check to see if there are any clusters of 4 contiguous planets. If there are 2 or more such clusters, discard this map and roll again.
4. The closest that 2 planets of the same homeworld type may be to each other is Nav3. If there are any planets of any type except gaia or transdim which are within Nav2 range of each other, discard this map and roll again.
5. Every planet must have another planet of any type within Nav2 range of it. If there is any planet that is at least 3 hexes away from any other planet, discard this map and roll again.
6. Use this map • Який у вас браузер?
Google Chrome v96
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• Що було на екрані до того, як ваша гра заблокувалася (Порожній екран? Частина ігрового інтерфейсу? Повідомлення про помилку?)
The existing algorithms for placing down a map and having the last player rotate the tiles is not an excellent balancing mechanic, especially in a 4 player game where the third player is not likely to get a great choice of faction.
The now-defunct website gaia-project.hol.es had an algorithm which basically everyone liked a lot. This algorithm is described in this BGG thread boardgamegeek.com/thread/1960859/online-game-generator-map-board-smartphone-friendl/page/2, and I will repeat it for clarity here:
The algorithm is this:
1. Randomly place the required number of tiles, using the correct side of tiles 5, 6, and 7 as appropriate to the number of players, and rotate them randomly.
2. No clusters of 5 contiguous planets of any type (including transdim) are allowed. Check to see if there are any clusters of 5 or more. If there are any, discard this map and roll again.
3. Only one cluster of 4 contiguous planets of any type (including transdim) is allowed. Check to see if there are any clusters of 4 contiguous planets. If there are 2 or more such clusters, discard this map and roll again.
4. The closest that 2 planets of the same homeworld type may be to each other is Nav3. If there are any planets of any type except gaia or transdim which are within Nav2 range of each other, discard this map and roll again.
5. Every planet must have another planet of any type within Nav2 range of it. If there is any planet that is at least 3 hexes away from any other planet, discard this map and roll again.
6. Use this map • Який у вас браузер?
Google Chrome v96
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• Які саме правила були порушені адаптацією гри на BGA
The existing algorithms for placing down a map and having the last player rotate the tiles is not an excellent balancing mechanic, especially in a 4 player game where the third player is not likely to get a great choice of faction.
The now-defunct website gaia-project.hol.es had an algorithm which basically everyone liked a lot. This algorithm is described in this BGG thread boardgamegeek.com/thread/1960859/online-game-generator-map-board-smartphone-friendl/page/2, and I will repeat it for clarity here:
The algorithm is this:
1. Randomly place the required number of tiles, using the correct side of tiles 5, 6, and 7 as appropriate to the number of players, and rotate them randomly.
2. No clusters of 5 contiguous planets of any type (including transdim) are allowed. Check to see if there are any clusters of 5 or more. If there are any, discard this map and roll again.
3. Only one cluster of 4 contiguous planets of any type (including transdim) is allowed. Check to see if there are any clusters of 4 contiguous planets. If there are 2 or more such clusters, discard this map and roll again.
4. The closest that 2 planets of the same homeworld type may be to each other is Nav3. If there are any planets of any type except gaia or transdim which are within Nav2 range of each other, discard this map and roll again.
5. Every planet must have another planet of any type within Nav2 range of it. If there is any planet that is at least 3 hexes away from any other planet, discard this map and roll again.
6. Use this map -
• Чи видні порушення правил на повторі гри? Якщо так, на якому кроці?
• Який у вас браузер?
Google Chrome v96
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• Яку ігрову дію ви намагалися виконати?
The existing algorithms for placing down a map and having the last player rotate the tiles is not an excellent balancing mechanic, especially in a 4 player game where the third player is not likely to get a great choice of faction.
The now-defunct website gaia-project.hol.es had an algorithm which basically everyone liked a lot. This algorithm is described in this BGG thread boardgamegeek.com/thread/1960859/online-game-generator-map-board-smartphone-friendl/page/2, and I will repeat it for clarity here:
The algorithm is this:
1. Randomly place the required number of tiles, using the correct side of tiles 5, 6, and 7 as appropriate to the number of players, and rotate them randomly.
2. No clusters of 5 contiguous planets of any type (including transdim) are allowed. Check to see if there are any clusters of 5 or more. If there are any, discard this map and roll again.
3. Only one cluster of 4 contiguous planets of any type (including transdim) is allowed. Check to see if there are any clusters of 4 contiguous planets. If there are 2 or more such clusters, discard this map and roll again.
4. The closest that 2 planets of the same homeworld type may be to each other is Nav3. If there are any planets of any type except gaia or transdim which are within Nav2 range of each other, discard this map and roll again.
5. Every planet must have another planet of any type within Nav2 range of it. If there is any planet that is at least 3 hexes away from any other planet, discard this map and roll again.
6. Use this map -
• Що ви намагались зробити, щоб активувати цю ігрову дію?
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• Що сталося, коли Ви намагалися виконати цю дію (текст помилки, статус на панелі повідомлень, ...)?
• Який у вас браузер?
Google Chrome v96
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• На якому етапі гри виникла проблема (яка була на той момент вказівка в грі)?
The existing algorithms for placing down a map and having the last player rotate the tiles is not an excellent balancing mechanic, especially in a 4 player game where the third player is not likely to get a great choice of faction.
The now-defunct website gaia-project.hol.es had an algorithm which basically everyone liked a lot. This algorithm is described in this BGG thread boardgamegeek.com/thread/1960859/online-game-generator-map-board-smartphone-friendl/page/2, and I will repeat it for clarity here:
The algorithm is this:
1. Randomly place the required number of tiles, using the correct side of tiles 5, 6, and 7 as appropriate to the number of players, and rotate them randomly.
2. No clusters of 5 contiguous planets of any type (including transdim) are allowed. Check to see if there are any clusters of 5 or more. If there are any, discard this map and roll again.
3. Only one cluster of 4 contiguous planets of any type (including transdim) is allowed. Check to see if there are any clusters of 4 contiguous planets. If there are 2 or more such clusters, discard this map and roll again.
4. The closest that 2 planets of the same homeworld type may be to each other is Nav3. If there are any planets of any type except gaia or transdim which are within Nav2 range of each other, discard this map and roll again.
5. Every planet must have another planet of any type within Nav2 range of it. If there is any planet that is at least 3 hexes away from any other planet, discard this map and roll again.
6. Use this map -
• Що стається, коли ви намагаєтесь зробити ігрову дію (повідомлення про помилку, повідомлення на панелі статусу гри і т.п.)?
• Який у вас браузер?
Google Chrome v96
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• Будь ласка, опишіть візуальну помилку. Якщо у вас є скріншот цієї помилки (рекомендовано), ви можете скористатися будь-яким сервісом для зберігання зображень (наприклад, snipboard.io), завантажити його та вставити сюди посилання.
The existing algorithms for placing down a map and having the last player rotate the tiles is not an excellent balancing mechanic, especially in a 4 player game where the third player is not likely to get a great choice of faction.
The now-defunct website gaia-project.hol.es had an algorithm which basically everyone liked a lot. This algorithm is described in this BGG thread boardgamegeek.com/thread/1960859/online-game-generator-map-board-smartphone-friendl/page/2, and I will repeat it for clarity here:
The algorithm is this:
1. Randomly place the required number of tiles, using the correct side of tiles 5, 6, and 7 as appropriate to the number of players, and rotate them randomly.
2. No clusters of 5 contiguous planets of any type (including transdim) are allowed. Check to see if there are any clusters of 5 or more. If there are any, discard this map and roll again.
3. Only one cluster of 4 contiguous planets of any type (including transdim) is allowed. Check to see if there are any clusters of 4 contiguous planets. If there are 2 or more such clusters, discard this map and roll again.
4. The closest that 2 planets of the same homeworld type may be to each other is Nav3. If there are any planets of any type except gaia or transdim which are within Nav2 range of each other, discard this map and roll again.
5. Every planet must have another planet of any type within Nav2 range of it. If there is any planet that is at least 3 hexes away from any other planet, discard this map and roll again.
6. Use this map • Який у вас браузер?
Google Chrome v96
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• Будь ласка, скопіюйте/вставте текст відображений англійською замість вашої мови. Якщо у вас є скріншот цієї помилки (рекомендовано), ви можете скористатися будь-яким сервісом для зберігання зображень (наприклад, snipboard.io), завантажити його та вставити сюди посилання. Чи цей текст доступний у системі перекладів? Якщо так, то чи перекладали його понад 24 години тому?
The existing algorithms for placing down a map and having the last player rotate the tiles is not an excellent balancing mechanic, especially in a 4 player game where the third player is not likely to get a great choice of faction.
The now-defunct website gaia-project.hol.es had an algorithm which basically everyone liked a lot. This algorithm is described in this BGG thread boardgamegeek.com/thread/1960859/online-game-generator-map-board-smartphone-friendl/page/2, and I will repeat it for clarity here:
The algorithm is this:
1. Randomly place the required number of tiles, using the correct side of tiles 5, 6, and 7 as appropriate to the number of players, and rotate them randomly.
2. No clusters of 5 contiguous planets of any type (including transdim) are allowed. Check to see if there are any clusters of 5 or more. If there are any, discard this map and roll again.
3. Only one cluster of 4 contiguous planets of any type (including transdim) is allowed. Check to see if there are any clusters of 4 contiguous planets. If there are 2 or more such clusters, discard this map and roll again.
4. The closest that 2 planets of the same homeworld type may be to each other is Nav3. If there are any planets of any type except gaia or transdim which are within Nav2 range of each other, discard this map and roll again.
5. Every planet must have another planet of any type within Nav2 range of it. If there is any planet that is at least 3 hexes away from any other planet, discard this map and roll again.
6. Use this map • Який у вас браузер?
Google Chrome v96
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• Будь ласка, поясніть вашу пропозицію точно й лаконічно, щоб було якомога легше зрозуміти, що ви маєте на увазі.
The existing algorithms for placing down a map and having the last player rotate the tiles is not an excellent balancing mechanic, especially in a 4 player game where the third player is not likely to get a great choice of faction.
The now-defunct website gaia-project.hol.es had an algorithm which basically everyone liked a lot. This algorithm is described in this BGG thread boardgamegeek.com/thread/1960859/online-game-generator-map-board-smartphone-friendl/page/2, and I will repeat it for clarity here:
The algorithm is this:
1. Randomly place the required number of tiles, using the correct side of tiles 5, 6, and 7 as appropriate to the number of players, and rotate them randomly.
2. No clusters of 5 contiguous planets of any type (including transdim) are allowed. Check to see if there are any clusters of 5 or more. If there are any, discard this map and roll again.
3. Only one cluster of 4 contiguous planets of any type (including transdim) is allowed. Check to see if there are any clusters of 4 contiguous planets. If there are 2 or more such clusters, discard this map and roll again.
4. The closest that 2 planets of the same homeworld type may be to each other is Nav3. If there are any planets of any type except gaia or transdim which are within Nav2 range of each other, discard this map and roll again.
5. Every planet must have another planet of any type within Nav2 range of it. If there is any planet that is at least 3 hexes away from any other planet, discard this map and roll again.
6. Use this map • Який у вас браузер?
Google Chrome v96
Історія звітів
Fortunately, we have a random map generator that requires no rotation at all. It sounds like exactly what you're looking for, allowing an intelligent algorithm to balance out all factions. Try it out sometime -- you may like it!
Indeed, the last player rotation is straight out of the rulebook, at my game group we have tried this and found that it doesn't work very well for 4 player games. I agree that BGA shouldn't remove this as an option, but probably the hol.es algorithm without tile rotation is a better default setting in my opinion.
I have tried the random map algorithm, the main difference between this algorithm and hol.es is that it allows many clusters of 4. Which makes navigation less important, especially for a player that is going hard on gaiaforming and collecting a lot of transdim planets, since these tend to be clustered together.
I think the community has settled on preferring the hol.es algorithm, based on the number of comments on BGG either recommending it or asking for a replacement since that site was retired.
For my own map generation algorithm, I played around with varying considerations -- far more detailed than even what you've listed to ensure a balanced approach for all colors. After trying varying sizes of cluster, I settled on up to 4 planets in a cluster. In practice, 5 was too big and 3 wasn't varied enough.
I'm not trying to reproduce someone else's algorithm, so it's definitely different than the defunct website. It won't be a default option because it's not in the rulebook. (Actually, the default option is the rulebook's fixed setup, I think. No rotation required!) If you play around with it a bit, I think you'll find the random algorithm I've created is well balanced for all colors, even though the cluster sizes are different than how the former website did it.
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